1,2:Edt.P.05.04.96 3:Edit.N.05.09.96

1.3.3 lokas

  Q: I'd like to know, are the lokas different dimensions of the cosmic citta? Is the janarloka the same as cosmic ahamtattva?

   The ahamtattva exists in the kosa, not in the loka. It is expressed in the loka but exists within the vijanamaya kosa. That is to say, the ahamtattva has its base in the layer of mental development but it expresses in the realm or world of janarloka. It is the resonance or initial stage of action. It is the base of action.

  Q: Are the lokas different layers of the cosmic citta?

   They are expressions of the cosmic Mind. Brahmaloka is the pure witnesship of Paramatma, but in taparloka, mahatattva is expressed and in janarloka, ahamtattva gets manifestation. In maharloka, the potentialities of creation form and thus there exists the potentialities of the citta or extroversial organ of the cosmic mind upon which all creation is expressed. The citta expresses both the imaginative play of the cosmic mind and it's mental projection. So it fully forms in svarloka. In Maharloka, it remains as yet unsubstantiated though in formation.

  Q: Are the five fundamental factors, bhutas present to any extent in any of the lokas above bhurloka?

   They are present only in bhuvarloka and bhurloka. You know, I will  say something about this. In bhuvarloka, they appear as qualities or aspects of mental projection. In bhurloka, they appear as physical substances, but they are one in the same. Bhurloka is the crude physical manifestation but it is perceivable only by the individuated expressions within the cosmic mental projection of bhuvarloka. It is not perceivable as a physical world by the cosmic entity. For the cosmic entity, it is all bhuvarloka, all a mental projection including the five fundamental factors, but for the unit entity, these factors exist in bhurloka and bhuvarloka. They exist both as physical dimensions and as projections of the cosmic mind.  Now, the ethereal factor is very subtle. One might believe that this factor, and even the aerial and the luminous factor, are present in the subtle cosmic realm or svarloka, but I would say that is not the case. They are elements of the physical universe, or the cosmic mental projection. All right?

  Q: Can you tell us, when people spend time in bhuvarloka between physical incarnations in bhurloka, if their experiences involve the exhaustion and creation of sanskaras?

   They will spend their time between births not in bhuvarloka, but in svarloka, in the subtle cosmic body, the realm of imaginative play. Here the sanskaras will be played out within the citta, but they will have no expression in the physical world. All right?

  Q: When you say they are played out, does it mean that they are exhausted?

   Let us take the example of one boy who has a desire to climb a mountain. He dreams of it his whole life. Then one day an illness befalls him and he loses his physical body. His mind is not highly evolved. He is attached to mundane existence so that when the body is gone he falls into the slumber that unit beings are accustomed to. And in that slumber his conscious mind is suspended, but his subtle body continues to manifest and he dreams. When he dreams, all of the images and desires of his mind will be played out, and that boy who desires to climb the mountain will, in his dreaming, climb many mountains. Yet he will know he has not climbed the real mountain. He has only climbed the mountain in his mind. Thus it is very rare that the desire will be satiated by this mental exercise. Rather he will replay it over and over again, until one day, by the strength of this desire, he acquires again a physical body suitable to climb the mountain. Then he will be propelled through his life until he can actually climb the mountain.

But what happens? When he climbs the mountain, he notices over the ridge there is even a taller mountain and so now he desires to climb that mountain. And so the endless cycle of desire and unfulfilled hunger entrap him. So it is possible that desires may be satiated in this dreaming and that conflicts and revulsions may get resolved, but it is somewhat rare. In the main, if they are substantial, these desires and aversions will press for physical expression. All right?

  Q: Do you know some saints, such as Paramahansa Yogananda who speaks to his guru Sri Yuktesvara in that famous book "Autobiography of a Yogi", and Sri Yuktesvara, describe Hiranyaloka, a place where people of subtle mind may be reborn. And also Muktananda speaks of astral planes. In fact many people speak of astral incarnations which are subtle realms. Do these realms exist, and if so in what loka can they be found?

   They are manifest in svarloka. Though they take their origin in maharloka they cannot be expressed until svarloka. This is the astral realm, the realm of imaginative play with in the cosmic mind. In this realm there are so many astral planes, astral existences, beings of all types, whatever can be imagined by the cosmic mind. It is the proto dimension for manifest existence. In this realm the laws are different because it is non-physical. Some may say there is the etheric element but I say it is not physical. It exists within the psychic body.

  Now in this realm there are many places to be visited, some more horrible than can possibly be imagined, and some more grand than your wildest dreams. All exists in this imaginative realm of creative expression. It is the astral realm. Do you have more questions?

  Q: Are there microvita in the svarloka, and do they exist in higher lokas?

   Yes yes, they exist in svarloka. There are three types of microvita, one is physical -- it is in bhurloka or bhuvarloka. Another is psycho-physical, again bhuvarloka and bhurloka are its base but it will span to svarloka. But in svarloka, the psychic or subtle microvita exist without any physical manifestations. They also exist in maharloka, but in potentiated form. You see, svarloka gives imaginative form to the inferential waves of maharloka. In maharloka, all exists in a potentiated state. When one speaks of subtle worlds, supra-mental worlds, one may make reference to maharloka. These (worlds) are more subtle, more refined than those of svarloka, or the astral plane. They are not psychic projections, but supra-mental expressions. That is to say, their existence is not dependent upon objective expression, but upon subjective or inferential disposition. In these realms of existence, beings of subtle development, who yet have sanskara, will take expression. These are the realms of the Gods. Is there more?

  Q: Would it be correct to say that human beings may take incarnation in higher lokas, such as in svarloka or even maharloka without having an objective existence in other lokas?

   In may be done if the mind of the person is more subtle and the mental capacity or the supra-mental capacity more developed. Let us say a person, by dint of their sadhana, has dissolved their attachments to all physical objects. They are not drawn back in their awareness  to the mundane world because their attachments lie elsewhere, but they are not unbounded. There remains subtle attachment to beautiful music, to divine bliss, to service to all creation. These types of attachments will require expression in such a being, but that expression will not require physical manifestation as there is no attachment to the physical realm, or even the psychic realm. Even psychic accomplishments are not desired, but these subtle experiences are desired. Thus the living beings will take form in supra-psychic expression. They will acquire a body composed of subtle microvita and manifest in the realm of inferences (maharloka). In this body, they will be able to travel the realm of potentiation and experience the most subtle inference of manifest existence, the sweetest sounds of the Gods, the bliss of divine expression, the manifestation of inferential potentiality to serve the living beings in all creation. So you will find beings of very high development, very subtle development will take manifestation here in this realm. Those with lesser development, will traverse the astral planes in svarloka and they may or may not awaken in their dreaming. If they have attachments primarily to the physical plane, the conscious mind will remain suspended while in svarloka, and they will dream. But if their attachments are more to the psychic realm and less to the physical plane, then the conscious mind will awaken while in svarloka and they will take a microvitum body to express their sanskaras. A mental body composed of a conceptual field will become the housing for their sanskaras as the sanskaras are not primarily physical, they are not so substantial. But these beings will take manifestation within the conceptual frame of subtle microvita and they may exist in a number of dimensions or realms of cognitive expression. Now is it clear?

  Q: When people take incarnations in the svarloka using subtle psychic microvita for bodies, will they have interaction with other unit beings?

   Yes yes, they may interact in svarloka, and also in bhuvarloka, which means even in bhurloka they may become expressed or observed upon occasion, but it is rare. They will have their existence in svarloka. You see, the more subtle beings will have awareness of the cruder realms, but those beings who take birth in svarloka will not have perceptions of those who reside in maharloka except on rare occasions. But those in maharloka will easily perceive all the worlds in svarloka and bhurloka. All right?

  Q: Are their independent existences or incarnations in bhuvarloka independent of bhurloka?

   No. You see, if there is a coin and you look at one side you say it has an eagle on it and then you look at the other side and you see a different picture. It is like this with these two lokas. On one side it looks to be a mental world, but from the other side it appears physical. All right?

  Q: Would it be correct to say that a being living in bhurloka exists simultaneously in all the other lokas? Or is a unit existence limited to only bhurloka or bhuvarloka?

   It is a good point. In those beings not fully developed in mental function, that is, expressions in the introversial stage in which unit mind is developed, who do not have full mental development, will have only partial potential of development in subtle realms. So, a fish might have a development of kamamaya and manomaya kosa but antimanasa kosa will not be present. In the cat, who has a much more complex mind, all the kosas will have developed except for vijanamaya and hiranyamaya. These will be undeveloped. And in the human being, all the kosas will be there, but they may still remain undeveloped, like unused potential, until and unless the human being attains the introversial desire to know themselves. Then these kosas will begin to grow, expand, and become more developed. As a physical muscle that is used gains development, so these kosas gain development as the focus of awareness of the human being comes to them and the desires of the living being become more subtle. Thus the unit beings become active in the different lokas as the more subtle kos'as of their minds become activated. All right?

  Q: I have more questions, [but Nirmegha may be tired so maybe we should quit today.]

   These are very good questions you are asking. I would like more questions on this topic as there is much that can be said that has not previously been explored. You know the development of human beings is growing and so this topic should be more thoroughly explored. All right? Now you go with my blessing.